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Chris Watts: Riddles, Swirls and Flurries of Snow

On November 19th, Chris Watts accepts a plea deal allowing him to avoid the death penalty and the blinding spectacle of a criminal trial, likely to have been America’s most high profile possibly ever.
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In early December Chrs Watts is transferred to a prison out of state “amid safety concerns”. Three months later his discussions with law enforcement are national news, and become fodder for a two-part talk show in which the in-laws of his victims and a scrum of four lawyers participate – for cash.

Now Watts finds himself back to square one at Waupun, facing the same abuse he faced in a Weld County prison. His fellow inmates are wise to the high-profile visits of the FBI, CBI and the cops trying to unravel his criminal mind. Now those inmates want him – a baby, child and wife killer – to kill himself too.
Don’t be surprised if “out of safety concerns” Watts is transferred again. But one has to ask, was he really transferred out of safety concerns to begin with if no one blinked at the thought of giving Dr. Phil his exclusive, and someone getting a handsome payout? No one objected. According to the Denver Post the District Attorney simply said:
Rourke said Thursday he had chosen not to read the report or listen to the audio of Watts’s confession, but had been briefed on it by investigators. “When I got the briefing, it was the day after the interview was done, I was absolutely sickened, I was horrified,” he said.
He said that he and his office had thought of multiple scenarios of what could have happened during the case’s prosecution, but that this was so much worse. “What boggles my mind and baffles me is why did he have to kill those little girls?” Rourke said. “Did he think they would rat them out? Did they become a nuisance? No words that come out of his mouth will ever answer that for me. I hope his life is miserable.
I saw in the media somewhere that Weld County claimed they had no advance knowledge of the first Dr. Phil interview, but they didn’t protesteth much or at all about the second interview being shown. [Maybe Watts and his family didn’t either]. As a result Watts’ safety and privacy concerns are blown, so if something happens to Watts now who would be responsible?
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69 Comments

  1. Kathleen

    The DA said, “Was he afraid they would rather them out?”, in reference to Watts torture killing of his daughters. He used the plural “them” and I am wondering if that was an accident or a tell? Lawyers tend not to use words carelessly……

    • Ralph Oscar

      The “rat THEM out” really stood out to me as well.

      • CBH

        Ditto.

      • Gayle Gallien

        Please don’t even imply that NK was an accessory to murder. I know that is what you are getting at. This is ridiculous.

  2. Sylvester

    Here will come the conspiracy theorists now – rat “them” out (Watts and Nichole) – or maybe Rourke just misspoke. Rat “him” out makes more sense. So I take it Rourke believes now the girls were alive when Watts killed Sha’nann? On one thing he’s clear – he hopes he’s miserable. And if Rourke hopes he’s miserable than Watts will try his hardest to appear the opposite. Cat and mouse. In any event it’s possible Coder, Lee and Baumhover went to Watts to try and pigeonhole him. John Douglas wrote the language used to describe serial killers. But Watts doesn’t fit the family annihilator mold – family annihilators usually kill themselves. Watts threw them a bone by saying he took the gas can because it occurred to him he could set himself on fire or some such nonsense but he had no intentions of killing himself because he thought he could resume his relations with Nichole. Chris might be Two-Face, The Riddler, and The Joker all rolled into one.

    • Ralph Oscar

      “maybe Rourke just misspoke”
      Over here in Yankland we often slur words – “rat ‘im out” and “rat ’em out” sound virtually identical. Did anyone hear if he clearly enunciated “them”? Or was it more like “rat ‘m out”? I imagine that, given that’s one of those clichés, it came out like “rat ‘m out” and whoever was transcribing inserted the “them” (one of the two pronouns that would work for “‘m”) instead of “him”.

      • Sideaffected

        That was my first thought-is there a video or did he say this in writing? I really am confused cause we know Rourke and the FBI and CBI aren’t dumb enough to think this wasn’t premeditated. I know they aren’t. So what is he doing?

    • Ralph Oscar

      “it occurred to him he could set himself on fire or some such nonsense”
      Oh, that’s just taking the piss!

      • Sylvester

        Yes, but out of the goodness of his big ole dumb heart he didn’t want to blow up the oil tanks and cause injuries to his co workers.

        • Ralph Oscar

          I know, right? A real *prince* of a guy!
          But this illustrates the puzzle that makes this case so fascinating. On the one hand, we have a very consistent, longstanding pattern of CW being a super nice, considerate, giving kind of person, totally dependable, reliable, stand-up guy, someone you could always count on – who murdered his pregnant wife and two small children. It’s a real mindtwister.

    • Sideaffected

      I know what you mean but I don’t think pigeonhole as much as understand him more-there’s not much research on family annihilators-There used to be two “categories” and more recent research suggests 4 (though they can overlap) but that is based on literally one study, granted, by experts and including 57 cases. But he clearly doesn’t fit in any of those, nor does he fit any psychological disorder. They know damn well he wasn’t gonna take himself out. I think they feel a lot like us-frustrated and confused. I guarantee they wouldn’t have this reaction if they had been dealing w/, say, Chris Coleman. Chris Watts is a whole different animal and very interesting-despite at first seeming to have 0 personality and 0 smarts. I think he’s much smarter than people think and also much more capable. People online think NK was involved cause he “could never make a decision on his own without a strong woman telling him what to do” which is exactly what Chris would have us believe and everyone has bought it.

  3. LW

    “Them”. That’s an egregious mistake on the DA’s part, if it is a mistake.

  4. CBH

    Rourke is unprofessional. He’s supposed to be objective, not wishing misery on Watts, and not leaving him vulnerable to attacks.

    • Sideaffected

      I thought he was great in court and at the press conference but yeah this is unprofessional. He read Frankie’s letter (which moved me, personally) and also had to see the bodies so I can understand where his anger comes in. But that surprised me too. Not as much as him believing this story (which I don’t buy that he’s being honest. I think he’s supporting the family and trying to get ppl to stop emailing them.)

    • Sheis

      CBH, I agree. He was editorializing, something he should not have used his professional platform to do.

  5. mitzi2006

    Me too, the them stood out …and wth? The DA accepts this shadow stuff as fitting with Chris’s recounting and he was mostly truthful but didn’t read or listen to the interview? That is unbelievable to me. He was the one that professed before the judge that three times he hauled bodies out but is the one who doesn’t listen to or read this interview? Chris made reference to someplace they passed through or stopped at on his way to waupun, think it was Sterling? Said he was scared that’s where he was going because it’s supposed to have the worst conditions for maximum security? That’s where they need to send him.
    Oh lord if they are looking at charging NK I know a youtuber who will definitely take credit for that, ugh

    • Sideaffected

      MR?

      • Sideaffected

        No you prob meant AD

        • Donkeykong

          Nah. Defective sofa

  6. mitzi2006

    That article restates that watts didn’t regret taking the plea deal but didn’t expect to be in prison the rest of his life. Does he mean he didn’t expect it at the time he signed the plea deal or now he doesnt think he’d be in for the rest of his life. How could he not have known the plea deal was for life in prison in exchange for removing the death penalty and if not why would he think now he won’t be there for the rest of his life.

    • CBH

      The US is unique and severely out of step with the rest of the westernized world for actually keeping people in prison for life. In Canada, Europe, the Netherlands, Australia, a life sentence ends up being 4-12 years. Chris was simply using common sense.

      • Ralph Oscar

        The US is big on *revenge* and *punishment* rather than rehabilitation. Whereas other countries (I’m thinking of Norway – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01mTKDaKa6Q – starting about 4:20, specifically) emphasize rehabilitation, the US is about making its convicts *suffer* as much as possible. And this turns people into mad dogs – just watch out if you’re the one opening the door to that cage. It’s a real travesty, especially in a Christianity-dominated culture where people claim their values center on mercy, forgiveness, and love. But where there is lots of Christianity, there is also lots of dysfunction, backwardness, and societal problems – don’t get me started. Suffice it to say we shouldn’t be surprised that’s how things are in the US…

        • CBH

          I agree with all you say. I consider it both unconstitutional and inhumane and would like to see major reform.

        • Shannon

          Doesn’t the states have a 1.2.3. approach. The more you do crime, the more time.

          • SRC

            Shannon, a lot of factors seem to make a difference in the sentencing of a criminal for his/her crimes in the US such as which state the offense was committed, any prior offenses committed, if the offense falls under “zero” tolerance guidelines, how savvy/expensive/knowledgeable the defense and/or prosecuting attorney is, the loopholes that can be exploited, and how a particular judge might interpret a particular offense…Brock Turner comes immediately to mind. But our justice system, as it exists, proves you can line up 100 inmates from all over the US and poll them for the crimes they committed and see that the sentences they are serving can be wildly disproportionate even when comparing the same or similar crimes! Murder – 4 years, tax evasion 50 years. Welp, that sure makes a whole lotta sense…
            You bring up a lot of good points.

          • Shannon

            Thank you.
            Yes I’ve seen that before in the states. Less time for serious crimes. It happens here to.
            The whole system needs a rewrite. All the Old Laws need to come up to today’s times. Some are still from 200 yrs ago…. maybe not that far…..lol

        • SRC

          Ralph, I think you have your finger exactly on the pulse of why the case of Chris Watts resonates so resoundingly with so many people and why the interest remains so compelling. He was this likable, lovable, affable, helpful, eager to please person who just about anyone would welcome into their home or their lives. He wasn’t a derelict destined for prison or someone obviously on their road to ruin…he was an everyday man, an ordinary guy, and someone who we’d say was normal, at least he seemed to be until August 13, 2018. How does someone like that fit in with our perception of most murderers, felons, prisoners, inmates, criminals? How does someone like that suddenly find himself categorized and living as a murderer, felon, prisoner, inmate, and criminal? We tend to assume the people in jail acted like someone, looked like someone, and would just naturally be someone who would end up there. No one would have assumed that about Chris Watts, yet there he is. Now what to do with him? Did he destroy himself? Will the prison system destroy him? Who is accountable? Who should be accountable? Those are just the leading questions. Then come who will staff the prisons effectively? What can we afford to pay them? What can we expect them to endure in their respective roles? How can we ensure they are effective in their roles whether a guard, counselor, teacher, spiritual guide, or whomever? Where will we find proper funding? The questions are deep, the expectations are many, and the funding doesn’t equate to either. The biggest difference between the US and other successful country’s penal systems is that their success is based upon proactive societies rather than reactive societies, such as ours.

          • Theress

            I am from Australia and I am afraid rehab for crims, while a nice thought doesn’t work for some, if not most, types. We have many let out who reoffend, usually in catastrophic ways
            resulting in the murder of some innocent woman. However thinking about recent ones, they definetely fit a bad man mold and Chris Watts doesnt! Not even the charming Ted Bundy mold, as his wife noted in a text to a girlfriend “he has no game”.

      • Laura Thompson

        I’ve said for a long time that if I were ever in a position of power, prison and sentencing reform would be one of my major causes. First step would be the elimination of all private prisons, (which I actually believe is getting some traction nowadays), because the conflicts of interest are just staggering.
        Draconian life sentences do nobody any good, and actually cause harm. Only the worst of the most incorrigibly violent offenders should actually be locked away forever, and that’s only after good faith attempts to help rehabilitate them. No more lengthy sentences for non violent drug crimes. Safer prisons, where things like rape and shankings are rare, because of a more healing environment and better supervision. I could go on.
        Other nations are so much more humane where incarceration is concerned. I love my country, but we act like a third world banana republic in some very embarrassing ways.
        I have lots more to say on this subject, but those are just some of the thoughts I’ve had about the carceral state in the U.S.

        • CBH

          I’m in absolute agreement with all. Even the prison blocks and cells differ dramatically: In Canada, Europe, and the Netherlands they look like college dormitories. In the US there is chipped paint, aluminum slabs for beds, tiny dimensions and bars. No rehabilitative ideal, severely punitive. Yes, some criminals do need punishment but the ideals of progressive democracy coupled with psychology and 21 st century brain science are far outside the US penal system.

        • Ralph Oscar

          “Only the worst of the most incorrigibly violent offenders should actually be locked away forever, and that’s only after good faith attempts to help rehabilitate them.”
          There may well be some people who cannot ever be released into general society for the safety of the public at large (such as violent pedophiles, rapists, and serial killers), but we need to set up an alternate living space for them – their own city, perhaps on an island as in Norway, where they can have a functioning community and live as human beings despite the limitations of their dysfunction. We can do this; thus far, we have made it clear we won’t. We want those we disapprove of to *suffer*. This is really an embarrassment in this day and age, with our understanding of psychology and human development etc. If someone is defective in a way that makes him/her a danger to society, we need to put that person in a different place where s/he can live a life that is as productive and enjoyable as possible without putting others at risk. Similar to how we try to make opportunities for mentally disabled people like Down Syndrome individuals instead of warehousing them in institutions.

          • Sideaffected

            Haha! A reaaaaaall gumshoe that guy is! Pounding the pavement and seekin the truth!

        • Shannon

          We need Woman in power.

    • Sheis

      I took it to mean that he was, up until he slaughtered his family, a law-abiding citizen who had never been in trouble. I don’t expect I’ll ever be in prison, either!

  7. Shannon

    I read Nick’s updates everyday.
    DailyMail has said Chris is under suicide watch……again.
    Inmates taunting him. These inmates are no better then he is. They’re there for crimes just like him. It’s part of the prison life.
    I hope he has the Strength to get thru this.

    • mitzi2006

      The prison hierarchy and he’s at the bottom

      • Shannon

        I just have this sick feeling inside, he might not make it. Chris is too sensitive. With him finding God, he might look at life and death differently.
        Or he might pull strength from God.
        Bernardo does, he has a different outlook then Chris.

        • Sideaffected

          Sensitive how? To what others think of him? I know you can’t mean emotionally..not cause of the crime but because of his behavior afterwards, in general, and even self-described.
          Also, do you really think he has “found God” in 6 months?

          • Shannon

            To me he seems like a sensitive person. We all have good and bad traits in us. He’s sensitive to how other people look at him parents, sister. I think he was sensitive to Shanann, kids….then something happened there. He became angry
            He has not fought Anything the Rzucek want. He could be a Prick if he wanted. He would have been entitled to it also. The Rzucek’s not even giving his Dad, Chris toolbox….really your gonna play lowball.
            The Watts parents should have gone to that house and taken his stuff. I would.
            I’m sure he has cried alot by himself. Once the remorse has past, then he can move on.
            I feel the Rzucek’s are very shady people and greedy.
            Not sure if he found God. That not an easy read. To fully understand it, you really had to understand all.
            He is a quick study.
            Now all have found God????

          • Sass

            I am not giving him kudos just because he is being decent to Shannan’s family. I mean, it’s the least he could do after killing their daughter and granddaughters then telling the world she is the one that killed them to keep himself from taking responsibility. How in the hell is he entitled to be mad at anyone in those families? He has turned their lives upside down and caused both families immeasurable pain. If he was so sensitive to his family he would not have killed them and he would not have lied to his parents and allowed them to tell the world that Shannan’s a killer. And I am tired of his supporters saying that we should give the Watts a break because they are in pain anytime they may do something that people may view as tasteless but the Rzucek’s are open to any and all judgement like they aren’t in pain too. Yes we all have some bad traits but we don’t all go around slaughtering our whole family just to be with a mistress we’ve only known for 6 weeks then blame everyone for our own behavior. And why is Chris allowed to have a few bad traits that led him to murder but Shannan and her family are not allowed to have bad traits without being blamed or bashed? I do not understand all of this empathy for this man like he didn’t just show himself to be a monster but supposedly Shannan is the evil one. Were his babies evil? Is that why he killed them? He exploited and manipulated the way his family feels about Shannan because he knew they would believe she killed those babies and people don’t realize he is exploiting his supporters ill feelings towards her for the same reason, to paint himself as a victim. How does any of that make him sensitive? You know who he is sensitive towards? Himself. Goodness, the compassion that some have for this man is insane. If people can find an ounce of sympathy for him there should be no reason they can’t find some for Shannan. Nothing she did is worse than what he did. I’m sorry. I’ve seen your posts before and I know how you feel about Shannan and I usually just mind my own business but the entitlement you say this man deserves to be angry at anyone but himself is infuriating. He is not misunderstood or sensitive. He did not just snap and murder his whole family. He had no business taking anyone’s life just because he felt his wife was mean to him or because they were in debt. His problems were not special, it’s called marrying a woman he may have outgrown and spending too much money and dealing with health issues. Problems billions of people go through everyday and find solutions for without committing familicide. He doesn’t get a pass. He is a grown ass man that chose to take the cowardly way out of a tough situation and he killed his babies in the most appalling, sick way. I’m tired of people turning this woman into the equivalent of Hillary’s emails. She is not to blame for everything that has gone on in his life.

          • nickvdl

            I think you’re confusing “aggravating factors” with justification. You seem to think people are justifying Watts’ actions, or even condoning them. We’re trying to understand them, and by understand it doesn’t mean we say, “Oh, that makes sense now why he did that.” It means, that’s why *he* felt justified in doing what he did. It’s an attempt to understand criminal psychology, and the last thing that is, is saying criminal psychology is justified. It’s not, it’s unjust, and it shouldn’t even be necessary to make this point.
            Nothing she did is worse than what he did.>>>Yes, but that’s stating the obvious.
            why is Chris allowed to have a few bad traits that led him to murder but Shannan and her family are not allowed to have bad traits without being blamed or bashed? >>>You seem to be arguing the case that one should take sides.
            I do not understand all of this empathy for this man>>>Again, you seem to misunderstand the point of true crime, or even the justice system. You investigate a man, just as the three investigators questioned Watts [in quite a friendly manner] in order to extract information and understand what happened, first and foremost.

          • thetinytech2018

            Nick – the above comment from “Sass” (I’m assuming she used it because she thinks “sassy” is cute, she doesn’t realize that it makes her look infantile) is basically the kind of commentor that finds their way here whenever you’re blog is referenced on either the SW or CW subreddit. That place seems to be an echo chamber where they only care about sentiment, and think you can sue someone successfully for insults. If you ever suggest that either of these two adults had agency in their own life and that Shan’anns 5th MLM ruse left them in crippling debt, you’ll be shunned. They still think she was making limitless money even when shown that clearly wasn’t and never was the case. I know you’ve got much better things to do, but I figured I’d let you know about the echo chamber from where the massive influx of people are coming from. Many of them don’t care about facts if it doesn’t fit their narrative as a good portion are huns themselves.

          • Ralph Oscar

            uh…LeVel was Shan’Ann’s SEVENTH MLM scam, and she dived into it just *months* after their bankruptcy.
            Shan’Ann started out with Amway and from there went with (in no particular order) Thirty One, Origami Owl, It Works!, LulaRoe, and Younique before her final MLM fling, LeVel’s “Thrive”.
            Seven MLM scams. Shan’Ann was apparently incapable of learning and couldn’t resist driving full speed off the cliff of financial disaster. Over and over and over.

          • Sideaffected

            Yes but that’s not what Shannon was doing. (Again Shannon I don’t have anything against you personally.) She has more empathy for Chris than Sha’naan’s entire family. I think what myself and the previous poster are struggling with is why she thinks Chris is “entitled to be a prick” to Sha’naan’s family, the “really, you’re gonna lowball” comment-I think Shannon appears to be taking sides by calling them (all) “greedy and selfish” and by her whole comment she does paint Chris as an actual bigger victim than the Rzuceks. That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. They are all individuals and it bothers me when people say either “the Rzuceks” or “the Watts” are this or that. I mean, in my family, there are pretty huge differences in our individual traits and moral compasses. If she’s right and Frank, Frankie And Sandi are each greedy and each shady-ok, fine. But how and why is Chris entitled to be a prick? Cause he’s not greedy and shady?
            Shannon I’m reiterating I’m genuinely seeking answers to my questions and not pointing fingers or just disagreeing for its own sake. I think this is a wonderful place where we can have civilized discussions about this sort of thing. We’re not gonna point and yell “victim blaming!” every time someone dares to say something bad about Sha’naan or good about Chris. I think that’s a beautiful thing. But I do think some people here go too far in the other direction (victim blaming/family of victim-blaming) to where it’s not reasonable-like a guy here saying “all my sympathy is with Chris and the kids.” (and this is a guy I almost always agree with/like.) That’s when I scratch my head.

          • Shannon

            Sensitive:
            -Easily hurt or damaged.
            -Aware or attitudes and feelings of others.
            -Implies a readiness to respond to or be influenced, by forces or stimuli.
            -unduly sensitive to criticism.
            There is no crediable way of predicting whether someone is capable of committing a murder.
            Cross into the realm of criminal violence, all of a sudden there not like us.

          • Shannon

            Maybe you need to Study other cases of Familicide.
            It’s oblivious you don’t really understand ….Why…this does happen.
            I might be too straightforward for some, which is ok. But this is how I am in my real life.
            I tell it like it is.
            If someone doesn’t like it…oh well!

          • Sideaffected

            I really can’t say I understand-the point of this website as I understand it is to not take sides, and it seems like you have “sided” with him and his family. You’re allowed to do that. But I can’t understand it. I’m not mad at you, I am genuinely hoping you clarify.
            First of all, the Rzuceks are 3 people. You seem to see them as just one, myopic unit that is “greedy and shady.” I know of a few things (the details of which are scarce) that could be considered shady considering( Sandi and Frankie). Greedy, maybe Frankie (stealing) and Sha’naan and Sandi w/ MLMs (but I see that as more desperate.) I’ve never heard anything about her Dad that would suggest either. W/ the Watts, they’re not all the same either. People hate the sister despite literally never knowing anything she’s said directly or seen her.
            Also, I don’t think they denied the Dad getting the toolbox or trophies. Where are you getting that information? I heard in Dr. Phil them saying they gave him that stuff.
            And you’re right, he could have been a prick. I’m not sure he’s not being a prick in fact-he’s lying about how the girls died and making them believe they had this long drawn-out death that they probably didn’t have just to make himself look like he “snapped.” Why would Chris ever be a prick openly? That’s the opposite of Chris. It’s not the opposite of Chris to be a sideways prick, though. And you said he would be “entitled to it too.” That’s where I just think the thinking has crossed into delusion. How and why would Chris be “entitled” to be a prick to the Rzuceks? They could have be complicit in literally killing him and it would have been legal and they declined to do so. I’m gonna go ahead and say that he is not entitled to anything from them…imagine if someone killed your daughter and grandkids and people are saying “he has a right to be a prick” to you. You’d have to be a monster for that to make sense. They aren’t monsters. Everyone in this story is just human.
            I think even Chris knows that he is entitled to nothing from them. One of the only times in the new “confession” where I thought I heard him genuinely choke up was when they told him “they don’t hate you”. He said “really??” And I thought he was being genuine. I’d just really like to hear your thoughts.

          • nickvdl

            I really can’t say I understand-the point of this website as I understand it is to not take sides, and it seems like you have “sided” with him and his family>>>Go to the main page and read the first paragraph or two. Or else maybe someone can it explain it to you.

    • Los

      Why do you think he needs strength?

      • Shannon

        Well if your a wimp in jail. I don’t think you’d last to long.
        Strength is needed to get thru the next 50 years.

  8. Sylvester

    If Frank Rzucek does all of the cooking in the Rzucek household then shouldn’t Rourke have said “I sat down in Frank’s kitchen” rather than Sandi’s? In any event I think Rourke outfoxed Watts.

    • Ralph Oscar

      “In any event I think Rourke outfoxed Watts.”
      Explain?

      • Sylvester

        He knew who was running for Governor there in Colorado and probably surmised who would win – a politician who does not believe in the death penalty, and would have commuted Watts sentence to life anyway. He didn’t want to take Watts to trial, so used the Rzucek’s plea to spare Watt’s life as a sort of ruse – and in exchange Watts would have to plead guilty, get four consecutive life sentences, and never see the light of day again. Colorado is spared the expense of a high-profile trial if Watts goes willingly. Watts also doesn’t have to say how he killed them, where he killed them, and when. That works in Watt’s benefit, not much in exchange for 4 life sentences but he’s still continuing to spin so I’m guessing he thinks he has the last laugh. If he’s on suicide watch again then Rourke’s curse – “I hope he’s miserable” is coming true. Last laugh.

        • Ralph Oscar

          Interesting…thanks.

  9. mitzi2006

    You’d think his lawyers would have been clear what life with no parole is. Life sentence in Canada is 25 years, also have life with no parole. Some of those are till they take their last breath, others are paroled after 25 years. Hopefully Paul Bernardo will never be released, public outcry has a lot of sway and he definitely had public outcry before his parole hearing. I like the US system, you get life, you serve life, public shouldn’t be able to sway a parole board one way or the other

    • Shannon

      Mitzi, are you in Canada too.

      • mitzi2006

        Yes, I am. You?

        • Shannon

          Yes. In the big city that’s always in the news….lol

          • mitzi2006

            Must be Toronto or Ottawa lol

    • nickvdl

      It is quite unique – the life sentence scenario in America. In South Africa, despite Van Breda hacking to death 3 members of his family with an axe, plus attempted murder on his sister and defeating the ends of justice, his 3 life sentences amount to just 1 – 25 years. It doesn’t seem enough to me.

      • mitzi2006

        Same with some crimes in Canada, a man who murdered four kids got paroled after 22 years, another who cut a passengers head off on a bus got time in a mental institution and is out now. A police officer who was at the stand off committed suicide after he was so despondent, but yet the creep is out now.

  10. Shannon

    I wish Chris, the Watts, Rzucek’s, DA and all those silly YouTubers….could see Nick’s Work on the Case.
    I noticed alot of the people who are posting on YouTube are not allowing comments.
    Interesting, they put it out there, but don’t want to read comments. Pathetic.

    • mitzi2006

      The funniest one is the one that screamed his free speech was being violated by an invasion of privacy complaint but deletes every question on his theories and blocks them, and from another country. Now that’s hypocrisy at its best . Besides that the UK has some of the strictest privacy laws there are.

      • Sideaffected

        What? How is his privacy being invaded? (Or rather why does he think that?) He seems honestly mentally ill.

  11. Sylvester

    Gavin Newsom just ordered a moratorium on the death penalty in CA. One of those 737 prisoners on death row is Scott Peterson. Another one is Richard Allen Davis who’s been sitting on death row now for 26 years. Another is Cary Staynor who brutally murdered a mother, her daughter and her daughter’s friend who were camping in Yosemite. I remember that one vividly.

  12. Ralph Oscar

    You know how CW’s favorite band was/is Metallica? I heard a song by them that I hadn’t heard before, on the radio as I was driving home – here’s the lyrics:
    Wish I may, wish I might
    Have this, I wish tonight
    Are you satisfied?
    Dig for gold, dig for fame
    You dig to make your name
    Are you pacified?
    All the wants you waste
    All the things you’ve chased
    Then it all crashes down
    And you break your crown
    And you point your finger
    But there’s no one around
    Just want one thing
    Just to play the king
    But the castle’s crumbled
    And you’re left with just a name
    Where’s your crown King Nothing?
    Where’s your crown?
    Hot and cold
    Bought and sold
    A heart as hard as gold
    Yeah! Are you satisfied?
    Wish I might, wish I may
    You wish your life away
    Are you pacified?
    All the wants you waste
    All the things you’ve chased
    Then it all crashes down
    And you break your crown
    And you point your finger
    But there’s no one around
    Just want one thing
    Just to play the king
    But the castle’s crumbled
    And you’re left with just a name
    Where’s your crown King Nothing?
    [Incomprehensible] Nothing
    Where’s your crown?
    I wish I may, I wish I might
    Have this wish, I wish tonight
    I want that star, I want it now
    I want it all and I don’t care how
    Careful what you wish, careful what you say
    Careful what you wish, you may regret it
    Careful what you wish, you just might get it
    Then it all crashes down
    And you break your crown
    And you point your finger
    But there’s no one around
    Just want one thing
    Just to play the king
    But the castle’s crumbled
    And you’re left with just a name
    Where’s your crown King Nothing?
    Nothing
    No you’re just nothing
    Where’s your crown King Nothing?
    No you’re just nothing
    Absolutely nothing
    Off to never, never land

    • Laura Thompson

      I’m not a huge Metallica fan, but I do like some of their songs. That’s one of their better efforts. “Hero Of The Day” is my personal favorite of theirs. My husband is a huge fan, and has seen them in concert several times.

    • SRC

      Good grief! It’s no wonder CW identified so much with Metallica; that seemed written for him.

  13. Sylvester

    I didn’t know where to put this as I”ve been sitting on it for a while. But it goes to the question if anyone thinks Watts was going to go back and set fire to the oil tanks. And his green lighter and gas can, etc. and storage facilities of toxic chemicals, oil and gas, fracking and big toxic accidents.
    “Schools to reopen as Texas chemical fire continues to burn.” ” A fire began Sunday March 17 at the Intercontinental Terminals Company, a storage facility in Deer Park. Seven tanks caught fire containing chemicals that go into making gasoline, including xylene, naptha and pyrolysis gasoline known as Pygas. One tank that caught fire contains toluene which occurs naturally in crude oil and is used as a gasoline additive. Damage to the central nervous system is the main concern following exposure to toluene in the air. ”
    The day before, March 16, a fire broke out at the Exxon Mobil Baytown refinery. Then in 2016 at the same refinery, a pipeline leak of a highly flammable chemical outside the plant prompted evacuations.
    My sources were the Chronical News, Houston, Texas and Local 10.com.
    Does any of this remind you of the explosion with the Anadarko Company.

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