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The Tale of Two Chrises


Who better than the FBI to profile Chris Watts to his face – and as soon as Agent Grahm Coder did that, the tide of lies shifted, and the other face of Chris Watts slowly emerged, like a tortoise slowly raising its head out of its shell.

Listen to the transcript while reading by going to 7:07 in the YouTube clip:

CODER: We’re gonna be looking for the man who did this. And you can imagine that [shifts in his seat] we’re gonna include you as that man.

WATTS [Softly]: Yeah.

CODER: I think that you’re trying to put on a brave face because you’re a man and you’re a father and you’re a husband. I can tell that there’s just something you’re not telling me. And I’m not sure what it is, and I don’t know why that is, I don’t know why you’re not telling me that there’s something that’s making you a little bit uncomfortable tonight. I just don’t believe some of the things you’re telling me. Okay, I just don’t. Simply do not believe you. 

WATTS:  Wh- what makes you think? What – what have I said that makes you not believe me at all? 

CODER: This just doesn’t make sense to me, doesn’t add up. So can we talk about two 
Chrises? Okay.

WATTS: Two Chrises?


CODER: The tale of two (Chris)’s kinda, um, and you need to help me know which (Chris) I’m looking at today. And which (Chris) you really are. So (Chris) number one is right here. Right? And fell out of love with his wife, okay? Started wondering what it might be if he didn’t have a wife to take care of, any girls to take care of. Spent some time alone, liked that time alone. Came home, may or may not have had a conversation about how to get out of this marriage or how to fix it, but probably how to get out of it. Is looking at a 
bachelor pad in Brighton, and did something terrible. To his wife and kids. And that may have been an accident and I think it was an accident.

WATTS: The man you’re looking at is the man who loves these kids and loves his wife and will never, ever, ever do anything to ha- harm them. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at right now. The (Chris) you’re looking at right now wants these kids and his wife back at his house. Right now. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at. 

CODER [Not buying it]: Why didn’t you call 911? 

WATTS: I didn’t think anything was wrong. 

CODER: I think you knew what was wrong. 

WATTS: I did not know what was wrong, sir. I promise you that. 

CODER: What do you think it’s gonna look like when someone finds out that it was not you that called 911? 

WATTS: Everybody’s gonna have their own perception about what’s going on here, but
I know my wife. I know that sometimes she doesn’t text me back. I know that happens. I – I’ve – I’ve been th- I’ve – it’s happened to me multiple times. Throughout many days. That she’s busy with work, it doesn’t happen. That’s why it didn’t register for me that day. 

CODER [Not buying it]: We’re back to this tale of two (Chris)’s, (Chris).


WATTS: Okay.

CODER: There’s a (Chris) who cares.

WATTS: I’m – I care. I promise. 

CODER: Tell me about the call to your daycare. 

WATTS: To Primrose? I called them to see if the girls were there. They said they weren’t there. 

CODER: Okay.

WATTS: I told them since they weren’t there, to put them back on the waiting list. 

CODER: That’s not what you told them. 

WATTS [Correcting himself]: I told them that we were gonna sell the house. Um, put it on the market, we probably won’t be in the area any more.

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CODER: That’s two different things, (Chris). 

WATTS: Well I want them to be back on – on – I put them on – on the waiting list as they weren’t there. 

CODER: Why weren’t they there?

WATTS: I don’t know. 

CODER: Where were they gonna go? 

WATTS: They went to a – Shanann took ‘em to a friend’s house. 

CODER: Why wouldn’t they go to daycare? 

WATTS: I am not sure. I, honestly, sir, I am not sure. 

CODER [Yaking things up another gear]: It’s hard for me as a father to talk to you like this. 

WATTS: Uh huh. 

CODER: Not because it’s a hard issue to talk about, it’s because I’m worried about your  daughters under your care.

WATTS: You shouldn’t have to worry about them under my care. 

CODER: Okay. 

WATTS: I watched them all weekend. I went to – went to a pool party, went to a pool party at (Jeremy Lindstrom)’s house. Like I love those kids. With all my heart.And nothing in this world would ever make me do anything to these kids. Or my wife. 


CODER  [Turning up the volume a notch]: When you walk out of this room, there’s nothing I can say to a room full of police officers that’s going to convince them that you have nothing to do with this. 

WATTS: I know. 

CODER: You know what they think.

WATTS: I – I know what all the – all of them, yeah. 

CODER: There’s a guy who didn’t call 911, who woke his wi- wife – wife up…to get things off his chest and say I don’t love you any more, I’m leaving you. That didn’t go well. Okay, so what happened? 

WATTS: Uh, she told me she wanted [me to] pick her up before I left. That’s why I – I didn’t just wake her up, like just to tell her this. Like I woke her up, that’s what she wanted to do and we talked. Like usually at 4:00 am I wake up, I go down and work out. This day I wanted to talk to her about this. I love these girls. I love these girls so much. And this picture right here, Celeste and Bella, those are my life. I helped make those kids. There’s nothing in my life that means more to me than these kids. Nothing. Kids, that’s – that’s your life, that’s your lifeline. That’s everything that – you make kids, they’re – they come first over anything. Kids, spouse, family. That’s what it’s always been. 


CODER: Nothing you’ve told me tonight makes sense. Nothing you’ve told me tonight feels like the truth. Can we start over? 

WATTS: Sure. 

CODER: I think that there’s something that happened. That got maybe a little bit out of 

WATTS: There was no fight, there was nothing physical. It was in m- it was a conversation, there was – there’s n- we didn’t raise a voice, nothing. I promise you that, sir, there was – there is nothing physical with this conversation. 

CODER: What was the last thing – what was the last thing you saw about your daughters? 

WATTS: Last thing I saw like when I left.

CODER: What did it look like? 

WATTS: S- saw them on the monitor as it was switching back and forth. 

CODER: What’s the last thing you saw with your wife?

WATTS: She was lying back in bed as I was walking out the door. Walking out the bedroom door.

CODER: Okay. When we finally got you to come, what do you think we should do? 

WATTS: Honestly like they’re gonna come home safe, correct? When you find the guy. 

CODER: When we find the guy, they’re gonna come home.

WATTS: Life in prison would be the – that’s what I w- that’s what I would think for two  kids that are involved. 

CODER: What if he hurt them? 

WATTS: The, uh, th- I’m not sure if like that penalty is even used, is it used in Colorado? I am unsure. 

CODER: What is? 

WATTS: The death penalty. 

CODER: Okay. 

WATTS: And I mean like if these kids are not alive, like there’s no – there’s nothing you could do to – to cope with that, to make me cope with that. If those kids are not okay. 

CODER: Okay. All right. What was your plan after you guys separated? 

WATTS: That I’d get an apartment.

CODER: Yeah. Nearby?…All right. Um, tonight’s been pretty intense I can imagine. How’re you feeling?

WATTS: I – I slept like two hours last night so, um, like running on empty right now, but…

CODER: I know. I can see it. So why don’t we do this? I’m sure you don’t mind if we take a break for the night. Um, and I’m sure that you are, um, feeling some of the pressure from me. Okay? I will… 

WATTS: You’re doing your job. 

CODER: I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t grill you a little bit, right? Okay.

WATTS [Throwing the earlier aspersion back at Coder]: I’ve seen you turn into two different guys, like. Honestly like I’ve seen like where you’re smiling and I’ve seen where it’s – it’s different.

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  1. Sylvester

    “there was nothing physical with this conversation” Because there was no conversation or because at this point he hasn’t confessed to Ronnie that he hurt her because she hurt the kids? He starts to say “it was in m” – my mind? It was a conversation that was in his mind – one that he wanted to say, one that he had been saying to himself over and over – I don’t love you, I’m leaving you.

    Really great analogy to Batman’s adversary – Two Face. Really really great. And that’s what I like about you – the Nuance, you see the nuance.

  2. tbp

    It’s interesting how his physical appearance changed so much. When he did his porch interviews, he doesn’t look anything like his previous self. The latest mugshot looks like his older pictures that are on the internet.

    • Washington Mama

      No more thrive.

  3. Washington Mama

    Regarding that YouTube video posted: did anyone else see how creepy it was when he stopped squirming and looked straight at the camera towards the end? Like at 56:44

  4. Sylvester

    I’m amazed he could sit there for nearly 30 minutes and stare at a picture of his girls and not FEEL anything. To me it looks like he’s hoping that picture will make him feel something if he just stares at it long enough. Failing that he’ll pick his nose.

  5. Seymour Glass

    I recently heard on a youtube channel that Chris Watts’ family received $800,000 for his defense that never became a defense. $800,000?!?! If this claim is true, then let that sink in.

    This says a lot about the narcissistic, troll state of our country today. Scarface, Tony Soprano, Michael Corleone, Dexter – we love us some complex, likable killers, don’t we? Double that if they’re hot.

    This same hateful spirit that went after Shanaan’s memory, and then after Shanaan’s family is the same hateful spirit that crucified Christ. Isaiah 5:20 – “Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil.”

    Again, $800,000 = Chris Watts’ family for his defense. Shanaan’s family = $0 – oh, and add threatening, hateful messages on social media, phone calls, emails, you name it.

    This man, Chris Watts, coldly and cruelly wiped out his entire family as casually as killing a bug by boot. And the audacity of his parents going along with his smear campaign; taking the $800,000. I sure hope they are using those funds to establish a foundation in memory of Bella & CeCe, at the very least. Maybe one for Shanaan, for lupus research.

    I got chills at the spliced photo of Chris at the top of the page. Chris was on the continuum since childhood. He was wearing a mask the entire time.

  6. nan

    Agree about early mask wearing. He found a way to protect himself from whatever hostile family dynamic was coming his way during his blank faced youth. Continued thru adulthood. If I can’t run away physically, I’ll check out internally, and play the game socially. Path of least resistance. Looking forward to the unmasking of his family. Most likely not as diabolical as the Turpin’s but intense enough for CW to split his psyche in two. Appears his father caved to the pressure and had his own disconnect plan – drugs and then, outwardly placid. Hopefully we’ll get an hour of the Watts family in the media – keep them talking.

  7. Sylvester

    I had forgotten I read that Nan. That Ronnie Watts had a substance abuse problem after Chris left home. That’s interesting isn’t it? Now he only has Cindy Watts, which I would think it would be a case of peace, they’ve all flown the nest. But look at George Anthony’s troubles too. Attempted suicide after Caylee’s remains were found, and his latest attempt in a car wreck.

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