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Can You Source the Interrogation Photo of Bella and Ceecee? True Crime Guru Badge [#4]

During Chris Watts’ first interrogation with the FBI he’s shown a color photograph of Bella and Celeste. The photo appears red in the CCTV footage of the interrogation.

Can you find the original among Shan’ann’s Facebook images?

The True Crime Guru Badge goes to tbp with this image:

Can anyone source it from Shan’ann’s social media [location and date]?

“Shan’ann had no defensive wounds…” But if she was murdered in her bed, there’s a problem. Can you see what it is?

The premise in the TWO FACE trilogy has been:

  1. The triple murders were all premeditated.
  2. The children were murdered first.
  3. Shan’ann wasn’t murdered in her bed – she never made it up the stairs.

But the trilogy was written months before the Discovery Documents came out. The trilogy was written before it emerged what clothes Shan’ann was buried in, or the 02:30 credit card purchase, or the stains on the sheets dumped into the trash were revealed.


So do the scenarios presented in the first three books still hold up now that we’ve seen the inside of the house in vivid video detail? Thanks to the latest release of evidence, we’ve been able to see into the crime scene literally hours after the cover up was completed, through the eyes of Officer Coonrod on the 13th and Officer Katherine Lines [the dog handler] on the 14th [after Watts had time to do more cleaning and covering up].

With RAPE OF CASSANDRA, the 4th book in the TWO FACE series, I’ve been able to integrate vital aspects within the enormous tranches of Discovery Documents and video and audio of the actual confession. These insights have moved the narrative forward, allowing for the fine-tuning of the original hypothesis.

For example, there’s an important clue in the screengrabs below that shows Watts wasn’t only lying about Shan’ann killing the children [that part of his so-called “confession” is false], but he was also manipulating his interrogators in terms of telling them when and how he killed Shan’ann.

Can you see where that it and why that is?

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The Tale of Two Chrises


Who better than the FBI to profile Chris Watts to his face – and as soon as Agent Grahm Coder did that, the tide of lies shifted, and the other face of Chris Watts slowly emerged, like a tortoise slowly raising its head out of its shell.

Listen to the transcript while reading by going to 7:07 in the YouTube clip:

CODER: We’re gonna be looking for the man who did this. And you can imagine that [shifts in his seat] we’re gonna include you as that man.

WATTS [Softly]: Yeah.

CODER: I think that you’re trying to put on a brave face because you’re a man and you’re a father and you’re a husband. I can tell that there’s just something you’re not telling me. And I’m not sure what it is, and I don’t know why that is, I don’t know why you’re not telling me that there’s something that’s making you a little bit uncomfortable tonight. I just don’t believe some of the things you’re telling me. Okay, I just don’t. Simply do not believe you. 

WATTS:  Wh- what makes you think? What – what have I said that makes you not believe me at all? 

CODER: This just doesn’t make sense to me, doesn’t add up. So can we talk about two 
Chrises? Okay.

WATTS: Two Chrises?


CODER: The tale of two (Chris)’s kinda, um, and you need to help me know which (Chris) I’m looking at today. And which (Chris) you really are. So (Chris) number one is right here. Right? And fell out of love with his wife, okay? Started wondering what it might be if he didn’t have a wife to take care of, any girls to take care of. Spent some time alone, liked that time alone. Came home, may or may not have had a conversation about how to get out of this marriage or how to fix it, but probably how to get out of it. Is looking at a 
bachelor pad in Brighton, and did something terrible. To his wife and kids. And that may have been an accident and I think it was an accident.

WATTS: The man you’re looking at is the man who loves these kids and loves his wife and will never, ever, ever do anything to ha- harm them. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at right now. The (Chris) you’re looking at right now wants these kids and his wife back at his house. Right now. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at. 

CODER [Not buying it]: Why didn’t you call 911? 

WATTS: I didn’t think anything was wrong. 

CODER: I think you knew what was wrong. 

WATTS: I did not know what was wrong, sir. I promise you that. 

CODER: What do you think it’s gonna look like when someone finds out that it was not you that called 911? 

WATTS: Everybody’s gonna have their own perception about what’s going on here, but
I know my wife. I know that sometimes she doesn’t text me back. I know that happens. I – I’ve – I’ve been th- I’ve – it’s happened to me multiple times. Throughout many days. That she’s busy with work, it doesn’t happen. That’s why it didn’t register for me that day. 

CODER [Not buying it]: We’re back to this tale of two (Chris)’s, (Chris).


WATTS: Okay.

CODER: There’s a (Chris) who cares.

WATTS: I’m – I care. I promise. 

CODER: Tell me about the call to your daycare. 

WATTS: To Primrose? I called them to see if the girls were there. They said they weren’t there. 

CODER: Okay.

WATTS: I told them since they weren’t there, to put them back on the waiting list. 

CODER: That’s not what you told them. 

WATTS [Correcting himself]: I told them that we were gonna sell the house. Um, put it on the market, we probably won’t be in the area any more.

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CODER: That’s two different things, (Chris). 

WATTS: Well I want them to be back on – on – I put them on – on the waiting list as they weren’t there. 

CODER: Why weren’t they there?

WATTS: I don’t know. 

CODER: Where were they gonna go? 

WATTS: They went to a – Shanann took ‘em to a friend’s house. 

CODER: Why wouldn’t they go to daycare? 

WATTS: I am not sure. I, honestly, sir, I am not sure. 

CODER [Yaking things up another gear]: It’s hard for me as a father to talk to you like this. 

WATTS: Uh huh. 

CODER: Not because it’s a hard issue to talk about, it’s because I’m worried about your  daughters under your care.

WATTS: You shouldn’t have to worry about them under my care. 

CODER: Okay. 

WATTS: I watched them all weekend. I went to – went to a pool party, went to a pool party at (Jeremy Lindstrom)’s house. Like I love those kids. With all my heart.And nothing in this world would ever make me do anything to these kids. Or my wife. 


CODER  [Turning up the volume a notch]: When you walk out of this room, there’s nothing I can say to a room full of police officers that’s going to convince them that you have nothing to do with this. 

WATTS: I know. 

CODER: You know what they think.

WATTS: I – I know what all the – all of them, yeah. 

CODER: There’s a guy who didn’t call 911, who woke his wi- wife – wife up…to get things off his chest and say I don’t love you any more, I’m leaving you. That didn’t go well. Okay, so what happened? 

WATTS: Uh, she told me she wanted [me to] pick her up before I left. That’s why I – I didn’t just wake her up, like just to tell her this. Like I woke her up, that’s what she wanted to do and we talked. Like usually at 4:00 am I wake up, I go down and work out. This day I wanted to talk to her about this. I love these girls. I love these girls so much. And this picture right here, Celeste and Bella, those are my life. I helped make those kids. There’s nothing in my life that means more to me than these kids. Nothing. Kids, that’s – that’s your life, that’s your lifeline. That’s everything that – you make kids, they’re – they come first over anything. Kids, spouse, family. That’s what it’s always been. 


CODER: Nothing you’ve told me tonight makes sense. Nothing you’ve told me tonight feels like the truth. Can we start over? 

WATTS: Sure. 

CODER: I think that there’s something that happened. That got maybe a little bit out of 

WATTS: There was no fight, there was nothing physical. It was in m- it was a conversation, there was – there’s n- we didn’t raise a voice, nothing. I promise you that, sir, there was – there is nothing physical with this conversation. 

CODER: What was the last thing – what was the last thing you saw about your daughters? 

WATTS: Last thing I saw like when I left.

CODER: What did it look like? 

WATTS: S- saw them on the monitor as it was switching back and forth. 

CODER: What’s the last thing you saw with your wife?

WATTS: She was lying back in bed as I was walking out the door. Walking out the bedroom door.

CODER: Okay. When we finally got you to come, what do you think we should do? 

WATTS: Honestly like they’re gonna come home safe, correct? When you find the guy. 

CODER: When we find the guy, they’re gonna come home.

WATTS: Life in prison would be the – that’s what I w- that’s what I would think for two  kids that are involved. 

CODER: What if he hurt them? 

WATTS: The, uh, th- I’m not sure if like that penalty is even used, is it used in Colorado? I am unsure. 

CODER: What is? 

WATTS: The death penalty. 

CODER: Okay. 

WATTS: And I mean like if these kids are not alive, like there’s no – there’s nothing you could do to – to cope with that, to make me cope with that. If those kids are not okay. 

CODER: Okay. All right. What was your plan after you guys separated? 

WATTS: That I’d get an apartment.

CODER: Yeah. Nearby?…All right. Um, tonight’s been pretty intense I can imagine. How’re you feeling?

WATTS: I – I slept like two hours last night so, um, like running on empty right now, but…

CODER: I know. I can see it. So why don’t we do this? I’m sure you don’t mind if we take a break for the night. Um, and I’m sure that you are, um, feeling some of the pressure from me. Okay? I will… 

WATTS: You’re doing your job. 

CODER: I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t grill you a little bit, right? Okay.

WATTS [Throwing the earlier aspersion back at Coder]: I’ve seen you turn into two different guys, like. Honestly like I’ve seen like where you’re smiling and I’ve seen where it’s – it’s different.

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Full Confession Video: Chris Watts Re-enacts Shan’ann’s Murder – but there’s a problem

At 18:04:56 on the CCTV counter in Squad Interview Room 2 Chris Watts begins to “sympathize” with the events that played out that night. By that I mean he begins to make gestures to explain what he’s saying.

The entire “re-enactment” lasts about 45 seconds.

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It should be seen and listened to in context, however. Watts is being asked what it felt like [killing his wife], how long it took and what he was doing. This is worth reviewing from 1:26:20 in the video along with the transcript.

Special Agent Grahm Coder asks Watts whether Shan’ann screamed.

CODER: Was she talking? Was she scratching you?

WATTS: I-I-uh-I-I didn’t…I just felt…such anger…that…none-nothing-I didn’t feel anything.

CODER: Oh yeah. Alright. Was it quick or slow? Was it…?

WATTS [Gesturing]: I felt so numb I felt like it was over [gestures with his hands]…

CODER: Fast? Over fast?

WATTS [Gestures]: Felt like…

CODER: Was it a choke like this [gestures] or was it a head lock [gestures]?

Agent Tammy Lee who also did his polygraph test, interrupts and gesturing, asks Watts to hold out his hand and show how he choked Shan’ann [in his scenario to them] on the bed.

She also asks Watts to describe how Shan’ann killed the children, and Watts objects, saying the monitors were black and white, but also that it was dark.

There’s a serious problem in Watts’ description here? Do you see it?

I provide deeper analysis and an answer to this puzzling aspect in RAPE OF CASSANDRA, my fourth book on the Watts case, coming in early December.