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The Cops Found Virtually No Tissue or DNA Evidence of Shan’ann or the Children Inside the House. Is that because Watts did this…

Did Watts make an improptu Dexter-style kill room [or processing room] in the basement?

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We know the cadaver dogs smelled something in the basement, but whatever it was, it was a weak alert. We also know all three bodies moved through the garage and were loaded into the back of the truck. So even though we know for sure the bodies were in the truck, the cadaver dog only showed mild interest in the truck. What that shows is the bodies were well-insulated from the outside world.

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The Tale of Two Chrises

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Who better than the FBI to profile Chris Watts to his face – and as soon as Agent Grahm Coder did that, the tide of lies shifted, and the other face of Chris Watts slowly emerged, like a tortoise slowly raising its head out of its shell.

Listen to the transcript while reading by going to 7:07 in the YouTube clip:

CODER: We’re gonna be looking for the man who did this. And you can imagine that [shifts in his seat] we’re gonna include you as that man.

WATTS [Softly]: Yeah.

CODER: I think that you’re trying to put on a brave face because you’re a man and you’re a father and you’re a husband. I can tell that there’s just something you’re not telling me. And I’m not sure what it is, and I don’t know why that is, I don’t know why you’re not telling me that there’s something that’s making you a little bit uncomfortable tonight. I just don’t believe some of the things you’re telling me. Okay, I just don’t. Simply do not believe you. 

WATTS:  Wh- what makes you think? What – what have I said that makes you not believe me at all? 

CODER: This just doesn’t make sense to me, doesn’t add up. So can we talk about two 
Chrises? Okay.

WATTS: Two Chrises?

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CODER: The tale of two (Chris)’s kinda, um, and you need to help me know which (Chris) I’m looking at today. And which (Chris) you really are. So (Chris) number one is right here. Right? And fell out of love with his wife, okay? Started wondering what it might be if he didn’t have a wife to take care of, any girls to take care of. Spent some time alone, liked that time alone. Came home, may or may not have had a conversation about how to get out of this marriage or how to fix it, but probably how to get out of it. Is looking at a 
bachelor pad in Brighton, and did something terrible. To his wife and kids. And that may have been an accident and I think it was an accident.

WATTS: The man you’re looking at is the man who loves these kids and loves his wife and will never, ever, ever do anything to ha- harm them. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at right now. The (Chris) you’re looking at right now wants these kids and his wife back at his house. Right now. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at. 

CODER [Not buying it]: Why didn’t you call 911? 

WATTS: I didn’t think anything was wrong. 

CODER: I think you knew what was wrong. 

WATTS: I did not know what was wrong, sir. I promise you that. 

CODER: What do you think it’s gonna look like when someone finds out that it was not you that called 911? 

WATTS: Everybody’s gonna have their own perception about what’s going on here, but
I know my wife. I know that sometimes she doesn’t text me back. I know that happens. I – I’ve – I’ve been th- I’ve – it’s happened to me multiple times. Throughout many days. That she’s busy with work, it doesn’t happen. That’s why it didn’t register for me that day. 

CODER [Not buying it]: We’re back to this tale of two (Chris)’s, (Chris).

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WATTS: Okay.

CODER: There’s a (Chris) who cares.

WATTS: I’m – I care. I promise. 

CODER: Tell me about the call to your daycare. 

WATTS: To Primrose? I called them to see if the girls were there. They said they weren’t there. 

CODER: Okay.

WATTS: I told them since they weren’t there, to put them back on the waiting list. 

CODER: That’s not what you told them. 

WATTS [Correcting himself]: I told them that we were gonna sell the house. Um, put it on the market, we probably won’t be in the area any more.

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CODER: That’s two different things, (Chris). 

WATTS: Well I want them to be back on – on – I put them on – on the waiting list as they weren’t there. 

CODER: Why weren’t they there?

WATTS: I don’t know. 

CODER: Where were they gonna go? 

WATTS: They went to a – Shanann took ‘em to a friend’s house. 

CODER: Why wouldn’t they go to daycare? 

WATTS: I am not sure. I, honestly, sir, I am not sure. 

CODER [Yaking things up another gear]: It’s hard for me as a father to talk to you like this. 

WATTS: Uh huh. 

CODER: Not because it’s a hard issue to talk about, it’s because I’m worried about your  daughters under your care.

WATTS: You shouldn’t have to worry about them under my care. 

CODER: Okay. 

WATTS: I watched them all weekend. I went to – went to a pool party, went to a pool party at (Jeremy Lindstrom)’s house. Like I love those kids. With all my heart.And nothing in this world would ever make me do anything to these kids. Or my wife. 

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CODER  [Turning up the volume a notch]: When you walk out of this room, there’s nothing I can say to a room full of police officers that’s going to convince them that you have nothing to do with this. 

WATTS: I know. 

CODER: You know what they think.

WATTS: I – I know what all the – all of them, yeah. 

CODER: There’s a guy who didn’t call 911, who woke his wi- wife – wife up…to get things off his chest and say I don’t love you any more, I’m leaving you. That didn’t go well. Okay, so what happened? 

WATTS: Uh, she told me she wanted [me to] pick her up before I left. That’s why I – I didn’t just wake her up, like just to tell her this. Like I woke her up, that’s what she wanted to do and we talked. Like usually at 4:00 am I wake up, I go down and work out. This day I wanted to talk to her about this. I love these girls. I love these girls so much. And this picture right here, Celeste and Bella, those are my life. I helped make those kids. There’s nothing in my life that means more to me than these kids. Nothing. Kids, that’s – that’s your life, that’s your lifeline. That’s everything that – you make kids, they’re – they come first over anything. Kids, spouse, family. That’s what it’s always been. 

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CODER: Nothing you’ve told me tonight makes sense. Nothing you’ve told me tonight feels like the truth. Can we start over? 

WATTS: Sure. 

CODER: I think that there’s something that happened. That got maybe a little bit out of 
control. 

WATTS: There was no fight, there was nothing physical. It was in m- it was a conversation, there was – there’s n- we didn’t raise a voice, nothing. I promise you that, sir, there was – there is nothing physical with this conversation. 

CODER: What was the last thing – what was the last thing you saw about your daughters? 

WATTS: Last thing I saw like when I left.

CODER: What did it look like? 

WATTS: S- saw them on the monitor as it was switching back and forth. 

CODER: What’s the last thing you saw with your wife?

WATTS: She was lying back in bed as I was walking out the door. Walking out the bedroom door.

CODER: Okay. When we finally got you to come, what do you think we should do? 

WATTS: Honestly like they’re gonna come home safe, correct? When you find the guy. 

CODER: When we find the guy, they’re gonna come home.

WATTS: Life in prison would be the – that’s what I w- that’s what I would think for two  kids that are involved. 

CODER: What if he hurt them? 

WATTS: The, uh, th- I’m not sure if like that penalty is even used, is it used in Colorado? I am unsure. 

CODER: What is? 

WATTS: The death penalty. 

CODER: Okay. 

WATTS: And I mean like if these kids are not alive, like there’s no – there’s nothing you could do to – to cope with that, to make me cope with that. If those kids are not okay. 

CODER: Okay. All right. What was your plan after you guys separated? 

WATTS: That I’d get an apartment.

CODER: Yeah. Nearby?…All right. Um, tonight’s been pretty intense I can imagine. How’re you feeling?

WATTS: I – I slept like two hours last night so, um, like running on empty right now, but…

CODER: I know. I can see it. So why don’t we do this? I’m sure you don’t mind if we take a break for the night. Um, and I’m sure that you are, um, feeling some of the pressure from me. Okay? I will… 

WATTS: You’re doing your job. 

CODER: I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t grill you a little bit, right? Okay.

WATTS [Throwing the earlier aspersion back at Coder]: I’ve seen you turn into two different guys, like. Honestly like I’ve seen like where you’re smiling and I’ve seen where it’s – it’s different.

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“TWO POLLYANNAS is about victim blaming”

It’s time for some mythbusting around the increasingly popular myth that the TWO FACE series, and TWO POLLYANNAS in particular, is all about running Shan’ann Watts down. The writing is biased; Chris Watts is hero worshipped and Shan’ann deserved what was coming because of the way she treated him.

It’s not true.

It’s not even close to the premise of TWO POLLYANNAS. In fact the title doesn’t refer to Chris Watts or Shan’ann whatsoever. TWO POLLYANNAS is about the two poor little girls at the center of the tragedy, who have been overlooked in almost all coverage.

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Even so, the TWO POLLYANNAS title doesn’t refer to them either. It’s a much deeper narrative than that.

It shouldn’t even be necessary to say this, but I’ll say it anyway.

In true crime without exception no one deserves to die! The very reason we’re here trying to figure out what happened is because of a criminal act that has shocked us to the core, and we want to know why.

Even when we begin to find answers to why, that doesn’t mean we’ve found out that they deserved to die. Why is about motive. It’s why the murderer committed murder! 

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If anyone didn’t deserve to die in this story it was Bella and Ceecee. Who were they? Didn’t their little lives matter?  What were their personalities like? Who were their friends? What impact did they have on their parents as a unit, and on each parent individually? So that’s the perspective TWO POLLYANNAS takes.

What did the Watts household feel like from the inside, how did it operate, and what was it like to experience it? Well, we get that from the perspectives of Bella and Ceecee. TWO POLLYANNAS attempts to show what it was like being them behind closed doors and between Live posts to Facebook.

In every true crime case I’ve made an attempt not just to understand the merits of the crime and the case, but what was going on with the victim, the perpetrator and the true dynamic that existed between murderer and victim. Who were these people really, in life?

So, over the course of several narratives in a series, the issues of all the characters will need to be addressed, and addressed equally. So trying to fathom family dynamics isn’t about blaming anyone, it’s about fathoming family dynamics.

Family dynamics are difficult to get to, and they’re especially so when families won’t come forward and be 100% clear about what was going on. Also, some families will reveal more about their relatives, others will reveal less. It’s up to us then to look at what’s being withheld.

In the the Watts case in particular, the family dynamics isn’t speculation because we’re in the unique position to have a trove of Facebook videos in the public domain showing all four family members repeatedly interacting with one another. It doesn’t take long for behavioral and personality patterns to emerge. Access to them is one thing, but what do they mean?

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What if it means that beneath the veneer of a fairy tale on Facebook, the Watts family weren’t quite as happy or functional as they appeared? This sounds like heresy, and some people are aghast to hear it. What? Cracks in the marriage? How dare you! But we do dare, because of the way the family was annihilated. Looking at the fairy tale isn’t the full story for why this crime happened. Looking into the cracks may reveal why it fell apart.

But some people just don’t like that. They want the fairy tale, and part of it is that Chris Watts had to be all evil, and his wife and children all good. Sadly, real life just isn’t like this because – guess what – no one is perfect.

One of the worst reviewed series I’ve written thus far is on the Steven Avery case. People absolutely hated the FOOL’S PARADISE books because it didn’t agree with the popular and mainstream premise in Making A Murderer that Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey were both framed, and as such innocent victims. There is an inverted fairy tale about murderers as innocents. In that story, people want to believe Avery and Dassey are innocent so that their own perceived victimhood is real.

If the innocence story is a fiction, however, then their victim story is a fiction too.

Unfortunately for those bleeding hearts who are desperate about proving Avery’s and Dassey’s innocence, they weren’t framed, and whatever you may think of Making A Murderer’s Sympathy Narrative [also known as True Crime Apologia in the mold of Paradise Lost], however strongly you may feel for Avery, the question around his guilt or innocence is by no means a mystery.

The law, evidence, and let’s be clear – common sense – produces a very different result to Avery’s and Dassey’s guilt than the payoff from the emotional story. That’s why the outcome of the case feels different to the conventional, popular wisdom. But true crime is more than about feelings, it’s about real people, real destruction of lives, real emotions and real reality. That’s the true in true crime.

In the Jodi Arias books, most readers wanted a black and white narrative where Travis Alexander was portrayed as the innocent victim whereas Jodi Arias was sketched as monstrous, and as a hideous murderess.

It should be obvious by now that to say Jodi Arias [or any convicted criminal] is guilty and a disgusting liar and a horrible human being isn’t only stating the obvious, it’s self-evident. How much time do we spend name-calling criminals before we get to the business of dealing with their cases and uncovering the full extent of their lies?

If name-calling and dancing on their graves is all we want to do, then do it, get it over with but don’t confuse that with research or reading or analysis. If you want to feel good about how bad someone is, if you love to hate, spend your time getting your kicks on social media. Every time someone says “monster”, “narcissist” or “psychopath”, like or retweet it, and that’s all the true crime effort you need to “understand” a case.

On the other hand, if you’re more serious about figuring out motive and method, the why and how of these crimes, then climb aboard the Rocket Science rocket and let’s see what we can find out. That’s different. That’s an intellectual journey.

Why would one work on a narrative fixating on the obvious [guilty! psychopath! evil monster!] unless to gloat about someone’s badness and rage about the victim’s goodness. Rocket Science is more sophisticated than that, alas. It tries to do the simple but supremely difficult thing of figuring out the more difficult stuff; why crimes happen, and who the people are that are involved. That’s all.

It’s because of the above that these three reviews below of TWO POLLYANNAS ring false. It’s not enough to shoot down the analysis [because it’s not sufficiently pro Shan’ann, or anti Watts], the writing itself must be seen as a cynical and dishonest effort to make money.

In the first review the indignant reviewer can’t even spell the name of the victim correctly.

I’ve read a lot of Nick’s books and I usually really enjoy them, especially all his books about the JBR case. This book left me with an uncomfortable feeling. I got the distinct sense that he is blaming Shannon for her own murder – as if she was so controlling and impossible to live with that she had it coming. How can he presume to know this so well if indeed it was true – and how does that justify what Chris Watts did? Simply a shocking road to take in my opinion, but in the end I guess it’s all about making money and selling books. Glad I read it for free.

The reason I resent schizophrenic reviews like this, is that they’re from regular readers who ought to know better. They ought to know by now that every aspect of the case is examined – the good, the bad the ugly.  That they wish to conveniently pick and choose their truth based on their own bias is especially out of place in true crime.

A lot of time was spent talking about how Shanann was racking up debt while Chris was working hard at his job. It repeatedly mentions her OCD, illness, and time spent on social media in a negative way. This was not just done from facts, even if the author would like you to think it was. The author seemed to be blaming her for a lot of the pressures on Chris…

This review is better, but it ignores the fact that effectively Chris Watts was for all intents and purposes the sole breadwinner in the household. If you buy into the MLM farce that Shan’ann was truly Thrivin’ and bringing in an income, I can see how you might find difficulty – and discomfort – with that assessment.

All the credit cards in the Watts household were maxed out, not because they were making enough money, but because they weren’t. The bankruptcy filing is adamant that there was only one source of income in the Watts household [in 2015], and the little money Shan’ann was bringing in was about to be diminished by her second pregnancy. In 2018 the credit cards were still maxed out, and now she was about to have a third child.

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The health expenses in the Watts household were all on the one side. Chris Watts had seemingly no medical issues or expenses, hell, he even exercised at home in a homemade gym.

What surprised me in researching TWO POLLYANNAS wasn’t just Shan’ann’s medical circumstances, but the children’s too. Both children were quite sickly. This assessment, which was researched prior to the release of the Discovery Documents, has since been confirmed by them.

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Fact is, one of Shan’ann’s surgeries [to her neck] cost over $100 000. Who was going to foot the bill for that? Putting aside for a moment everything else, the mortgage, the crippling credit card debt, the school fees at Primrose – if your partner had medical expenses of $100 000, and it was your job to pay for it, how would you feel about it?

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The actual state of the Watts family finances, even after the release of all the information, still remains a mystery.

And then there’s this.

Not only has the author nothing nice to say about a murdered woman and her children, what he says is simply not true. This isn’t true crime writing: it’s true fiction masquerading as true crime.

True crime isn’t about having good things to say about anyone. It’s about analyzing evidence and seeing what that has to say.  If you disagree, and you may, well that’s another story, but are you disagreeing from a position of  strength from an informed position, or weakness, based on little more than an emotional position?

The coverage on CrimeRocket is an extension of what goes into the written narratives. How much of the coverage on this site [out of 10] would you say is fictional, speculative, biased or not true?

Buy the TWO Face series at this link.

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QUIZ: Want to Win Book 4 in the TWO FACE Series? See how many of these 10 Questions you can Answer Correctly

In true crime some of the simplest questions are often the toughest, the most misunderstood or the most difficult to answer. But if we can’t answer some of the simple questions, then it really calls into question our entire efforts [and capacity] to figure out, let alone solve a case.

As criminal cases go the Chris Watts case appears extremely straightforward on the surface He confessed, the cops were onto him almost immediately, and so were a bunch of witnesses. But the reality is the Chris Watts case is a lot murkier than it seems. It has two faces, a shallow surface and a bottomless, darker, deeper face.

In order to clear away the murk, see how many of the questions posed below you can answer. A word of advice, take a few moments to consider the possibilities before answering.

For those who’d like a chance to win TWO FACE RAPE OF CASSANDRA, leave a comment below but make sure you have a Kindle, have read a Kindle book before and know how to receive and download a gifted copy. If you’d like to be in the running for a free giveaway, leave the word #tcrsKindle in your answer.

Whoever gets the most right answers first, wins.

  1. What is the correct spelling and full name of Shan’ann’s unborn child?
  2. On August 12th, when was the gender reveal due to be held?
  3. Who had the envelope and knew the name on behalf of the Watts family?
  4. On what day did Chris Watts delete or deactivate his Facebook?
  5. When did Nichol Kessinger search for Shan’ann Watts for the first time?
  6. Why were the autopsy reports sealed?
  7. Where was Deeter kept while Chris Watts was out at CERVI 319 on August 13th?
  8. Who found Shan’ann’s phone?
  9. What was the code for Shan’ann’s phone?
  10. What else was found next to the phone?

10/10 = Rocket Scientist

8-9 = True Crime Guru

4-7 = Informed but not quite there yet

2-3 = Rookie

0-1 = Wannabe/Ignoramus

Coming soon…

Cassandra

On August 5th Shan’ann told Chris Watts: “You don’t have any balls…I had more balls than you…” On August 12th “I did belittle him…with his parents…told him to find his balls”

No one can understand why Chris Watts committed murder. He must be a monster, a psychopath. He’s evil, that’s why this happened. No, none of those are explanations. We need to try a little harder than that.

Murder is an aggressive act. Triple murder is a very aggressive act, so aggressive in this instance it’s aggression mixed with sadism. Where does sadism come from? That’s easy. When someone takes pleasure inflicting pain onto someone else, it’s seen as recompense [in their minds] for a perceived slight. Sadism in other words is revenge for humiliation.

In the Watts case the sadism is extreme. It suggests the humiliation is chronic as well.

Of course as soon as we interrogate the authentic nature of the relationship, as soon as we see a controlling, dominant and often sniping aspect in Shan’ann’s personality, then we’ve crossed the line into victim blaming. Shan’ann is innocent and good, we’re reminded, Chris Watts is evil, he’s to blame and that’s all there is to it.

If you want to know why, then you ask questions. If you don’t want to know why, we can stand on the rooftops and all scream together how EVIL Chris Watts is, and in typical social media madness, see who screams the loudest or comes up with the best meme. Whoever screams the loudest wins, and then, that’s your answer. There’s your 21st century why.

Except for the minority of intelligent people in this world, that’s not an answer, unless your standards for figuring out criminal psychology are based on the reptilian brain. We need to be less primitive, simplistic  and black and white in our thinking than that.

So let’s try to be a little more sophisticated in our thinking.

The last week in the timeline leading up to the Annihilation of the Watts family is crucial. And what do we find during that last week? In Shan’ann’s own words on august 12th, hours before her murder, she confirms there was plenty of humiliation.

There was belittling…

 

In the week prior, from August 5th:

There was insulting, threatening and undermining him and his family to his face…

 

There was her claiming to be the dominant, controlling figure in their relationship at his expense…

 

There was her telling her friends he doesn’t have any balls, or any game…

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There was her wanting him to choose between her family and his own.

 

This venting wasn’t the only reason for the murders. Their cratering debt [a situation they both contributed to], his affair with Kessinger and hers with MLM weren’t doing their respective families or finances any favors. The reality is, as horrible and tragic as the murders of Shan’ann and her beautiful children were, it wasn’t an act of madness, or evil, or psychopathy. It was a human choice made by an angry, deceitful, cowardly but also humiliated man.

Chris Watts: The Devil in Disguise + Miscellaneous Videos [UPDATED]

The moment Chris Watts confessed to murdering his pregnant wife: Part 2 – Yahoo

Chris Watts led double life before murdering his family, court docs show: Part 3 – Yahoo

In a shocking statement, Chris Watts describes how he killed his wife: Part 4 – Yahoo

https://youtu.be/lj_SsI6AW2g

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The title to the video below is incorrect and misleading. Although Watts did defecate beside tanks, it wasn’t at CERVI 319 but CERVI 1029.

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