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Frank Rzucek Interview with Cops [AUDIO]

Incomplete Transcript:

INTERROGATOR: Um, so…what-what can you tell me about Shan’ann and Chris, and their relationship?

FRANK: Um, he was a great father.


FRANK: I mean, I couldn’t ask for a better father for the kids. Honestly, he did everything for them. Um, played with them, bathed them, I mean…I mean I couldn’t ask for someone better.

INTERROGATOR: Husband-wise.

FRANK: Same way. Um, never seen any kind of problems with him. I was here – prior to the six weeks she was here – I don’t really know that day…they both went on a vacation with her Thrive company…um…watched the kids…um…there was a little bit of difference in ’em…um…but i just took it as being a father. I mean, he was getting a little sterner with the girls. I mean it was nothing. You know, he was always the quiet type with them. 


FRANK: But he was getting a little sterner with them. I just took it as him being a father. Um, but a lot of different things was going on. I mean, he did change his um…they were going through thisnew Thrive stuff, or she was selling, and he started himself all built up and lost a lot of weight…um…they did come out, um, Shan’ann came out for six weeks with the girls. They were going back and forth from our house to his house, his mother’s house…and little Celeste had allergies to nuts, tree nuts, and very allergic to ’em, very allergic to ’em…

Audio of Nichol Kessinger August 16 Interview with the Cops

At 15:15 in the Audio…

INVESTIGATOR: So you guys, yin and yang. Got along pretty well.

KESSINGER: Very well.

INVESTIGATOR: And at no time, never gave you any indication that-

KESSINGER [Interrupts]: None.

INVESTIGATOR:…he was having issues.

KESSINGER: [No response].

INVESTIGATOR: So during your dating time, did you spend most of the time at your place?


INVESTIGATOR: Okay, always at your place.

KESSINGER: I told, well…or, we’d go out. But um…I told Mark yesterday, he asked me if I went over there, and I told him one time that I’d been to the house. I’ve been to the house twice, but it was very, very brief, and it was not like an extended stay.  I did not feel comfortable there, or like…I just didn’t wanna be there.  It’s not my life. Like, that is somebody else’s life.  And somebody else’s existence, and I respect that. That’s their space. And so I used to tell him, ‘Come to my house ‘cos this is our space, this is my space’.  And so, for me, out for respect, like, for whatever situation he had going on, and the fact that it’s not my home, um, I felt it was better to be in my place. And I live alone; I don’t have any roommates or anything, so it’s pretty easy to do that.

INVESTIGATOR: So during June and July, were you aware that he…uh…that his family was not. Did you meet his children?:

KESSINGER [Quick]: No. And I didn’t want to.


KESSINGER: And he didn’t ask me to.


KESSINGER [Reconsiders]: I mean, not that I didn’t want to ever. It was just – not now. It was like ‘you’re not finalized with your separation. And not only that, we’ve barely been dating. Like, you can’t introduce kids to somebody new in a situation like that. That’s something that takes time. I mean: would I have liked to have met them, of course. They, you know, I mean…that would’ve been a great honor for me to have somebody introduce their children into my life. You know. And-and… But not that…. It was something that was like…well, let’s see where we’re at in six months. Let’s see where we’re at in a year. If we’re still doing this, and you and me are still, you know,  happy with where we’re at, and you think this something that’s gonna be long term and is worth bringing your children into the picture, then yes, I would love to meet them. But  it’s like, not right now. You are still in this situation where you’re not even completely out of it, and I’m getting in it, and that’s not fair for them. And that was kinda the policy I had with him. It was like yes, but not yet.

INVESTIGATOR: So did he ask to introduce you to his children.

KESSINGER: Not at that time. Both him and I were on the same page of…eventually, if things went as they should’ve…

INVESTIGATOR: I understand, you guys relationship was very new and young.

KESSINGER [Upbeat]: Yeah!

INVESTIGATOR: So…although it was short…I’m just laying everything out. Helps us actually understand what was going on with him. I’m not going to share some information…you may go what…it protects you, it protects our investigation. So if it seems weird, there’s a reason I’m asking-

KESSINGER: That’s fine.

INVESTIGATOR: It’s usually relative to what I know. Um, so, don’t take offence to it. And it’s just, part of what we need to know. Um…

KESSINGER [Sighs]: Understood.

INVESTIGATOR: So you went to his house on two occasions. Was that recent?

KESSINGER [Croaky]: No. That was like, pretty early into it. And I…I did not like it, did not wanna go back.